lets say f : R 2 → R , and g ( x , y ) = f ( x + y , x − y ) , do we have ( Dg ) ( x , y ) = ( Df ) ( x + y , x − y ) ? ? . Is this statement always true. ( Df and Dg represent derivative matrices ) . I think that they are not always true since derivative matrices are different.
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lets say f : R 2 → R , and g ( x , y ) = f ( x + y , x − y ) , do we have ( Dg ) ( x , y ) = ( Df ) ( x + y , x − y ) ? ? . Is this statement always true. ( Df and Dg represent derivative matrices ) . I think that they are not always true since derivative matrices are different.
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Great question! Let's break it down step by step.
### Given:
- \( f : \mathbb{R}^2 \to \mathbb{R} \)
- \( g(x, y) = f(x+y, x-y) \)
- \( Df \) and \( Dg \) are the derivative (Jacobian) matrices of \( f \) and \( g \) respectively.
### The question:
Is it **always** true that
\[
(Dg)(x, y) = (Df)(x+y, x-y)?
\]
### Let's analyze
#### 1. **Write out what \( Dg \) is:**
By the chain rule, for \( g(x, y) = f(u(x, y), v(x, y)) \) where:
- \( u(x, y) = x+y \)
- \( v(x, y) = x-y \)
We have:
\[
Dg(x, y) = Df(u, v) \cdot D(u, v)
\]
where \( Df(u, v) \) is the row vector of partial derivatives of \( f \) at \( (u, v) \), and \( D(u, v) \) is the Jacobian matrix of \( (u, v) \) with respect to \( (x, y) \).
#### 2. **Compute these matrices**
- \( Df(u, v) = \left[ \frac{\partial f}{\partial u}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial v} \right] \) evaluated at \( (u, v) = (x+y, x-y) \)
- \( D(u, v) = \begin{bmatrix} \frac{\partial u}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial u}{\partial y} \\ \frac{\partial v}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial v}{\partial y} \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 \\ 1 & -1 \end{bmatrix} \)
But since \( f \) is scalar-valued, the derivative \( Df \) is a **row vector** (or gradient). For \( g \), we have:
\[
Dg(x, y) = \nabla f(u, v) \cdot D(u, v)
\]
But more commonly, for scalar-valued functions, the gradient of \( g \) is:
\[
\nabla g(x, y) =
\left[
\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial g}{\partial y}
\right]
\]
By the multivariable chain rule:
\[
\frac{\partial g}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial u} \frac{\partial u}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial v} \frac{\partial v}{\partial x}
= f_u(x+y, x-y)(1) + f_v(x+y, x-y)(1)
\]
\[
\frac{\partial g}{\partial y}
= f_u(x+y, x-y)(1) + f_v(x+y, x-y)(-1)
\]
So,
\[
\nabla g(x, y) =
\left[
f_u(x+y, x-y) + f_v(x+y, x-y),\quad f_u(x+y, x-y) - f_v(x+y, x-y)
\right]
\]
#### 3. **What is \( Df(x+y, x-y) \)?**
This is just the row vector:
\[
\left[ f_u(x+y, x-y),\ f_v(x+y, x-y) \right]
\]
#### 4. **Are they equal?**
No! **\( Dg(x, y) \) is not simply \( Df(x+y, x-y) \).**
- \( Df(x+y, x-y) \) is a row vector with two components.
- \( Dg(x, y) \) is also a row vector with two components, but the components are linear combinations of those of \( Df \), as shown above.
So, **in general,**
\[
(Dg)(x, y) \neq (Df)(x+y, x-y)
\]
### **Why?**
Because the chain rule introduces a mixing (linear transformation) of the partial derivatives, due to the way \( (x, y) \) map into the arguments of \( f \).
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## **Conclusion**
**You are correct:**
\[
(Dg)(x, y) \neq (Df)(x+y, x-y) \quad \text{in general.}
\]
The correct relationship is:
\[
(Dg)(x, y) = (Df)(x+y, x-y) \cdot \begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 \\ 1 & -1 \end{bmatrix}
\]
(for row vectors, matrix multiplication; for gradients, it's a linear combination as above).
**So the statement is NOT always true!**
Let me know if you want a concrete numerical example!
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